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Count 13: Attempted murder of Baby J on 27 November 2015. Alleged mechanism: Airway Obstruction (NO VERDICT)

Dr Shoo Lee's International Panel Summary Conclusions

BABY 10 SUMMARY [Baby J]
10 was a 32+2/7 week, 1.709 kg birth weight, twin female infant who was born by elective caesarean section to a mum with twin-twin transfusion/laser treatment, and preterm prelabour rupture of membranes. She had laparotomy with small bowel resection and stoma formation of functioning ileostomy and mucous fistula for malrotation/volvulus and necrotic bowel with perforation and adhesions. She developed stomal excoriation and formation of a mucocutaneous fistula. At 17 days of age, she developed seizures and was treated with antibiotics and Phenobarbitone. At 47 days of age, she was found blue and crying, then became pale and was resuscitated with cardiac compressions and bagging because of low heart rate (40/min). She recovered quickly and was transferred to Alder Hey Hospital, where she was diagnosed with sepsis. She had another similar episode of clinical deterioration at Alder Hey Hospital about 10½ hours after her transfer.

CONVICTION
It was alleged that 10 deteriorated on day 47 of life because of malicious airway obstruction.

PANEL OPINION
10 is a preterm infant with bowel resection and stoma formation with excoriation. She also had seizures that were treated with phenobarbitone. Following transfer to Alder Hey Hospital on day 47 of life, she was diagnosed to have an infection and was treated with antibiotics. She had another similar episode of clinical deterioration at Alder Hey 10½ hours later.

It is most likely that the clinical deterioration on day 47 of life at the Countess of Chester Hospital (CoCH) was an episode of seizure, apnoea or hypoventilation, which was an early manifestation of the sepsis that was subsequently diagnosed after she was transferred to Alder Hey Hospital. Infection does not just happen suddenly. It brews in the body over time, usually 1-2 days before it overwhelms the body’s defences and clinical symptoms occur. The episode of deterioration in question is most likely part of the same infection episode and cannot be treated as a separate event. The occurrence of a similar episode of deterioration at Alder Hey Hospital supports the diagnosis of sepsis as the cause of the episode at CoCH. The resuscitation with chest compressions seems to be an overreaction from the nurses. Dr Soni, who responded immediately to the crash call, recorded that the heart rate was 46/min on the monitor but >100/min on auscultation and the infant was crying under the mask while cardiac massage was ongoing. The nurses reported that the infant was breathing throughout but laboured. Bagging or oxygen would be appropriate for desaturation but not cardiac compressions because it can cause harm to the infant, including trauma to the heart and other organs, rib fractures and disruption of circulation. Of note, the parents were concerned about the care their baby was receiving in CoCH. They requested to have the Baby 14ot transferred back to CoCH and were successful.

CONCLUSIONS
1. 10’s deterioration on day 47 of life was due to sepsis.
2. There is no evidence to support malicious airway obstruction.


Prosecution opening statement

Background
Child J, a girl, was initially stable but it was discovered she had a necrotic and perforated bowel. The prosecution say he really did have NEC.

She was transferred to Alder Hey for surgery to fit her with a stoma bag.
Child J 'recovered well' and was taken to the Countess of Chester Hospital on November 10, 2015. She had a relatively rare type of intravenous line fitted, a 'Broviac line'.

On November 16, medical notes referred to her as being well.

Incidents
But on November 27, she suffered an unexplained collapse in the early hours. Letby was on duty.
Before she went to work for that shift, Lucy Letby exchanged text messages with one of her colleagues.

The prosecution say It seemed that she was not happy with working conditions and she referred to the difficulties of looking after the babies who just needed feeding support.

Child J was one of those.

The prosecution add that it appeared working in such nurseries was "not sufficiently stimulating for Lucy Letby".
Letby was in a different room to Child J, and was not the designated nurse, but 'got involved', by co-signing for medication at 12.02am.

Letby's colleague was a band 4 nurse and not sufficiently qualified to give intravenous medication.

After 4.40am, that nurse thought Child J became pale and mottled.

She left the room for a short time, and upon her return another nurse was assisting Child J with breathing.

The last thing Letby had recorded on notes was at 3am. There is data from the door system showing Letby coming in at 3.47am. The prosecution suggest Letby had been on a break during that time.

Just after 5am, Child J suffered another desaturation and she was moved to the hugh dependency unit in room 2.

The registrar was called and Child J was working hard to breathe, but had otherwise recovered well.

At 6.56am, Child J's alarm sounded and Letby was among those responding.

A doctor attended and took control. He noted oxygen levels were 'unrecordable' and circulation 'poor'. There were symptoms of a seizure.

At 7.20am, Letby co-signed a chart for a 10% glucose infusion.

At 7.24am, Child J collapsed again. The doctor assisted in resuscitating her. Child J recovered and the doctor could not explain what happened from the results of various tests taken.

He considered the events unexplained.

Medical experts
Medical expert Dr Dewi Evans described the collapse at 7.11am as unexpected without any straightforward explanation.

He said that it was "of concern and consistent with some form of obstruction of her airways, such as smothering".

The symptoms of a seizure suggested oxygen deprived to the brain.

Child J has not suffered a seizure since.

Dr Evans added: "Whilst I have concerns...one cannot rule out the presence of infection, despite the normal inflammatory markers… at the time of the two collapse episodes…I note also the presence of the stoma which could be the source of the organism(s) that caused her systemic infections."
Dr Evans, in a follow-up statement, maintained 'airway obstruction' was the most likely cause of Child J's collapse.

Dr Sandie Bohin concluded that the issue was not infection because there were no "soft signs" and the gradual deterioration which might be expected, but the collapse was "sudden" and had caused seizures.

Police interviews
In interview, Letby said she had little recollection of Child J, but remembered the Broviac line.
She confirmed contact with Child J, but denied doing anything to cause her harm.

Facebook
In 2020, she was asked why she had searched Facebook for Child J's parents. She replied: "I don't remember doing that."

The prosecution said: "It is remarkable that on many occasions, when children who had suffered unexpected spectacular and life-threatening collapses were removed from her [Lucy Letby's] orbit, they had exceptional recoveries."

Defence opening statement

For Child J, the defence say "there is not a great deal of explanation" for what caused the deterioration from the prosecution experts.

The defence say there is "an assumption of deliberate harm being used to blame her" when it was actually "inadequate care" at the hospital.

Defence Closing Speech

Mr Myers refers to the case of Child J, and outlines the events which happened to the baby girl in November 2015, and what is alleged. He says Child J's mother is "a fairly neutral witness on this topic". He says she said she drew comparisons betwen the care at Alder Hey Children's Hospital and the Countess of Chester Hospital, and the latter was 'not favourable'. She says the staff at the Countess relied on them to sort stoma care. She says they were left to "feel unwelcome", and asked about that, she said she felt their concerns "were not treated seriously". She says the staff there "did not have the same confidence and ability" in dealing with stoma bags. Mr Myers says this statement is used as the basis for their argument that the Countess was receiving too many babies with complex needs.

Mr Myers says the mother had said the concerns were met with "pushback". He says nurses, including Nicola Dennison and Mary Griffiths, had said dealing with stoma bags was "unusual", and Dr John Gibbs said it was a "challenge".

He says this case is evidence "beyond doubt" that serious deteriorations can come out of nowhere, as there are two desaturations for Child J, a well baby generally, which are serious and "cannot be blamed on Lucy Letby". Dr Kalyilil Verghese had considered the first was a 'false desaturation'. Mr Myers says Nicola Dennison had given evidence to say the first "serious desaturation" is a real one "which comes out of nowhere", with Child J desaturating to the 30s [of oxygen saturation levels]. He says Dr Stephen Brearey said he could not find a cause for those two desaturations, and agreed they were unexpected. Mr Myers says it is "clear unfairness" that the latter desaturations, when Letby is present, are an allegation of harm, as opposed to the first two desaturations when Letby is not present. He says there is "no evidence" that can be linked for Letby causing harm to Child J.

Mr Myers says the experts do not identify any physical harm for Child J. He says Letby is being left to explain something for which she probably wasn't present for. He says Dr Dewi Evans, when cross-examined, could not rule out infection in his report. He says this is not attempted murder, and the prosecution case is "empty".


Recorded Events and Messages

31st October 2015

3pm: Intelligence analyst Kate Tyndall has returned to talk the court through events for Child J, who was born at 3pm on October 31, 2015, weighing 3lb 12oz. Child J was admitted to the neonatal unit 10 minutes later. A picture was taken of the baby girl. She remained at the Countess until 4am on November 1, being transferred to Alder Hey, before coming back to the Countess on November 10, being admitted to the neonatal unit by Lucy Letby.

10th-26th November 2015

The same day, Letby messages a colleague saying "It's chaos here" and she had had a row with another colleague.

A selection of messages, recovered from Letby's phone, are shown to the court for the period from November 10-26. Letby sends a lengthy message to her colleague explaining why the unit was 'chaos' and why she had a disagreement with a colleague, adding staff were "peeing her off". Her colleague replies: "Nothing like a bit of team spirit eh! x" Letby apologises for her rant, saying: "Just really gets me down sometimes and some...want the easy life"

Letby asks a colleague on November 16 about how often a procedure for the Broviac line for Child J needed to be carried out. She receives a reply that it is carried out weekly. Letby says she had three missed calls on November 25, having been to Las Iguanas and was at salsa, saying no-one at the unit knew how to administer immunoglobin, and they rang her. Her colleague sympathises, saying they should not be ringing staff not on duty, but should be contacting Liverpool Women's Hospital first.

26th November 2015

The events of November 26 are now being talked through the court.

At 10.30am, a doctor's note says Child J was 'pink, well perfused, no respiratory distress' 'Abdomen- soft. Mum says mild distention soft abdomen. Stoma looks healthy'. The note adds 'if [increased] distention to inform' as the plan, along with the feed for expressed breast milk and donor.

Letby messages a colleague saying 'staffing really needs looking at', before messaging colleague Jennifer Jones-Key to say 'sounds like you had a mad day'. Letby adds the situation is 'just not manageable'.

Letby adds: "It's a nightmare isn't it...especially with no management x" Jennifer Jones-Key said the staff [on duty] were going to ring Letby or Yvonne Griffiths the previous night [regarding how to administer immunoglobin], but thought that would have been done so sooner.

Letby adds the staff there should not have been in that position. She adds, for her November 26-27 night shift: "Ah well. Hopefully be a bit calmer for me tonight lol x"

5.16pm: A colleague messages Letby at 5.16pm: "U well rested for work? x"
Letby replies: "Yep I've had a chilled day and slept well..." She adds: "Ready to face anything" with a strongarm emoji, before discussing about being contacted the previous night, and querying why she had been contacted when staff on duty had other lines of enquiry, such as Liverpool Women's Hospital or the transfusion department.

Letby, as she sets off to work, messages her colleague: "Off to the mad house x" with a neutral face emoji. Once inside, she messages the colleague to say she is in room 3 of the neonatal unit for the night shift. A shift rota for that night is presented to the court. There are two babies in room 1, two babies in room 2, two babies in room 3 (both designated nurse Letby), and two babies in room 4, one of them being Child J. In addition, there are two babies in transitional care, and two babies whose location could not be confirmed from the records.

7.30-8pm: Nurse Ashleigh Hudson records, for Child J at the November 26 night-shift handover: 'Observations satisfactory as charted...Broviac remains in situ...[Child J] appears to be in no pain or discomfort.'

7.36-10.53pm: Letby received and sent messages between 7.36pm and 10.53pm, but not related to Child J.

27th November 2015

1.57-4.29am: At 1.57am on November 27, swipe data shows Letby recorded as entering the neonatal unit, at 3.47am and at 4.29am.

At 4.40am, an apnoea/brady/fit chart records Child J having an episode of apnoea, heart rate down to 100, lasting for three minutes.

At 5.03am, a desaturation to '30s' is recorded, heart rate to 100, lasting two minutes. In each event, a Neopuff device is administered. Nurse Nicola Dennison records Child J looking unwell at 4.40am. In an untimed note [written retrospectively at 7.37am], Child J is moved from nursery room 4 to room 2.

Letby says, in a message to a colleague, she had not had a good shift, as Child J had '2 profound desats' and there were 'only 5 staff' on duty. The colleague replies: 'We closed again then? x' Mr Johnson explains to the court 'closed' by this definition means the unit would be closed to new arrivals, not closed entirely. Letby confirms the unit is closed until they can get someone in.

6.56am: There is an event timed as 6.56am which marks Child J's desaturation. A retrospective note created by Mary Griffith, referencing Lucy Letby, is made at 7.11am. The note says '[Child J's] monitor went off at 6.56 myself and L Letby attended. Found baby with pale hands and baby very ridged...'

7.15am: A note is made at 7.15am recording that the parents of Child J are informed of the collapse and to come to the hospital as soon as possible.

7.24am: Child J had a further collapse at about 7.24am. Dr John Gibbs records the event in his notes. Resuscitation efforts are made and a range of medication is administered, while observations are recorded and an x-ray made.

8.55am: Letby is recorded as using her swipe card at the neonatal unit access door at 8.55am.

10.30am: Lucy Letby messages Jennifer Jones-Key just before 10.30am: "Wow it turned manic - left at 9.15 but others still there."
The reply: "Warned you..don't know what it is", adding that things seem to go "pear-shaped".

Jennifer Jones-Key messages Letby saying, of the staffing situation, 'more staff will just go off sick'.

Afternoon: A colleague of Letby messages her on the afternoon of November 27 to say: 'Oh and Tony Chambers n some woman turned up earlier! x'
Letby replies: 'Gosh it's mad. At least things are moving in right direction. Is it bit calmer now? Still only 5 tonight? Hope Tony got stuck in and helped!!'

Night Shift: Letby is on a night shift on November 27-28. She recorded Child J's vital signs and her fluids. Nurse Mary Griffith messages Letby to say she had left the hospital at 9.45am, getting back home at 10.30am, adding she hopes Letby has a better shift tonight.
Letby replies: "You must be tired. Thanks for staying....still busy as only 5 on. [Child J] quiet hasn't done anything else abnormal and xray etc ok..."

28th November 2015

2.30am: Notes from a doctor on November 28, 2.30am, for Child J record '...no respiratory distress...' The plan was 'continue to slowly increase feeds...to achieve full feeds by 1800 today'.

5.06am: Letby records further observations for Child J at 5.06am on November 28, with 'shallow breathing observed at times' and, in a family communication note, Child J had been 'out for cuddles' with parents, who 'seemed happier' that Child J was recovering and feeds were gradually being increased.

18th December 2015

3.30am: Child J continued to be cared for at the Countess of Chester Hospital's neonatal unit until 3.30am on December 18, 2015, when she was transferred to Royal Manchester Children's Hospital.


Lucy Letby in the Witness Box

Direct Examination

Lucy Letby gave this evidence on 16th May 2023.

Mr Myers moves on to the case of Child J, a baby girl born on October 31, 2015 at 32 weeks + 2 days gestation, at the Countess of Chester Hospital. Mr Myers says there were a "number of problems in pregnancy" and Child J was diagnosed with a necrotic and perforated bowel (NEC), and required transfer to Alder Hey for a stoma to be fitted. Child J returned to the Countess of Chester Hospital on November 10. Mr Myers refers to the events on the night shift of November 26-27. Mr Myers says Child J had desaturations at 4.40am and 5.03am on November 27. The designated nurse for Child J that night was Nicola Dennison. Child J had further "low desaturations" at 6.56am and 7.24am, with "eyes deviated to the left", "stiff arms" and "clenched fists".

Letby tells the court she had "very little experience" with stomas, having seen a couple at Liverpool Women's Hospital during training. Other staff at the neonatal unit had no relevant recent experience of stomas, Letby adds, saying stoma surgery would only be carried out at a tertiary centre such as Alder Hey [the Countess of Chester Hospital was a level 2 centre]. Asked if Countess staff would regularly handle babies with stomas, Letby said: "No."
"I don't recall anybody being overly confident." She adds Child J's parents "took the lead" as they had the relevant experience from what they had been told at Alder Hey.

Letby messaged a friend on November 19: "It's shocking really that they are willing to take the responsibility for things that they have no training or experience etc on. Don't think they appreciate the potential difficulties X" Asked who she means by 'they', Letby says "the band 4 nurses". Mr Myers asks who would ask them to do it. Letby says it would be up to the shift leader to allocate them. Asked why they would be asked to look after a baby with a stoma, Letby tells the court: "the unit was so busy at the time". Letby messaged the same friend at November 25: "Went to las iguanas was really nice. At salsa. Had 3 missed calls they don't know how to give immunoglobulin and I was last person to give so just phoned and told them. [Nurse] said it's mad. Ravi is there. What a nightmare it's all getting they'll have to send babies out?? X" Letby tells the court it was "mad busy" on the unit, and the staff numbers were not at the level required for the number of babies on the unit. The night shift rota for November 26-27 is put up. Two band 4 unit nurses are named in the rota. Child J was in room 4. The designated nurse was Nicola Dennison, a band 4 nurse also looking after one other baby in room 4. Letby was the designated nurse for two babies in room 3 that night.

Letby tells the court she had no involvement in Child J prior to her first desaturation. A rota of the end of the shift is shown to the court, with Letby having taken on a new arrival to the unit as their designated nurse during the night. She said that night was "very busy". Nicola Dennison's nursing notes are shown to the court. they include: 'Shortly after the feed at 0400 [Child J] became unwell and desaturated to the 30s. Initially not apnoeic but then did require some Neopuff to recover. Colour looks pale and mottled...' A doctor records two 'profound desats', the 1st to 30s, the 2nd to 50s. Both episodes required bagging. 'Since then pale + mottled'. The apnoea/brady/fit chart is shown to the court, recording two events at 4.40am and 5.03am. The 4.40am event lasted three minutes, the second lasting two minutes.
Mr Myers: "Did you have any idea this was happening at the time?"
Letby: "No." Letby is asked if she has recollection of the second pair of events. "Yes." She adds she has independent recollection of those events. She said, for 6.56am, she heard the monitor alarm in room 4 and Child J was "fitting", "She wasn't breathing properly...her eyes were rolling to one side of her head."
"We both heard the monitor and we [Letby and Yvonne Griffith] went in." Letby said no-one was in room 4 at the time the alarm first went off. Dr Gibbs arrived "very quickly" and Child J was transferred to room 2. Letby says for the second event, she was called to help, but does not recall who. Letby is recorded on the chart subsequently administering an infusion with Mary Griffiths. Letby says she stayed "a little later" on the unit that day for the end of her shift, but cannot recall when that was. Letby tells the court she was unaware of the first pair of events for Child J that night, but was aware and involved in the care during the second pair of events.

Lucy Letby was the designated nurse for Child J for the following night (November 27-28), the court is shown. A nursing note for Child J written by Letby from that night is shown to the court.
Mr Myers: "Any issues for [Child J] from that night, in your care?"
Letby: "No." Letby messages a colleague about the shift of November 27-28 being "much better". Mr Myers asks what she means by that. Letby replies the workload on the unit was much more manageable than the previous night. Mr Myers asks if a 'nicer,' lighter workload would be what she wanted.
Letby: "Yes."
Mr Myers: "Would you want things to be going wrong?
Letby: "No."
Mr Myers: "Would you want babies to be hurt?"
Letby: "No."


Cross-Examination

Lucy Letby gave this evidence on 2nd June 2023.

The trial has had a short break, and will be resuming shortly with Mr Johnson cross-examining Letby in the case of Child J.

Copies of Letby's defence statement, edited to the relevant parts in the case by agreement, are handed out to members of the jury. Mr Johnson moves to the case of Child J, a baby girl born on October 31, 2015. Letby, in her defence statement, said she had never seen a baby with stomas before at the Countess, and other doctors were "equally unsure about stomas", and the parents were "more proficient" than the Countess staff at dealing with stomas. A handover sheet was taken to Letby's home, the defence statement adds, unintentionally.

The night shift rota for November 26-27 is put up. Two band 4 unit nurses are named in the rota. Child J was in room 4. The designated nurse was Nicola Dennison, a band 4 nurse also looking after one other baby in room 4. Letby was the designated nurse for two babies in room 3 that night. Letby rules out staffing levels as a contributory factor in Child J's collapse, nor medical incompetence, nor staffing mistakes. She says the unit was busy at the time, but was not a contributory factor. She adds she does not know how Child J collapsed.

Letby accepts the evidence from Child J's mother that Child J was well and "about to go home in a day or two".

Letby adds there was an issue with Child J's stoma care, as it had been discussed among the nurses that they had little experience. She adds she does not "want to name names" on any specific nurses' lack of experience. Mr Johnson refers to Nicola Dennison's previous experience with stomas, which she said in evidence she had experience of it. Letby says over the years, she did not recall any other babies with stomas. Mr Johnson says band 4 nurses, as said by Letby in evidence on May 16, should not be involved in stoma bag care, as they would be unfamiliar with the procedure. Letby said: "The unit was very busy and we had to use staff where we could." Letby says she was not referring to Nicola Dennison specifically, but the nursing situation overall. She says there was not an issue over staffing levels at the time of Child J's collapse. Asked to explain a text message she had sent to a colleague Letby tells the court: "Sometimes I felt nurses would take on roles which I didn't think they were trained enough in". The next message adds: "It's shocking really that they are willing to take the responsibility for things that they have no training or experience etc on. Don't think they appreciate the potential difficulties X" Letby agrees she believed it was "potentially dangerous". Mr Johnson says the impression of the court was that band 4 nurses were not qualified in stoma care, and the hospital was 'cutting corners' by assigning such nurses to those tasks. Letby agrees. The court is shown a document about the duties for special care babies [such as Child J], which includes stoma care.
LL: "You need to appreciate the context that the unit was not familiar with stomas."
NJ: "This nurse was familiar with stomas, wasn't she?"
LL: "In her opinion, yes." Mr Johnson says Letby was deliberately creating the impression to the jury that the care for Child J was deficient.
LL: "I do think that. I don't think she had a high standard of care. "I don't think anyone was overly confident in saying 'I know what to do with a stoma'. We were led by the parents..." Mr Johnson asks why Nicola Dennison was not challenged about this.
LL: "I can't answer that."

Letby denies not being happy in nursery room 3, or being happier in nursery room 1. Letby accepts the evidence of Nicola Dennison that babies in room 4 should have the light off overnight, as they are due to go home.

Mr Johnson says two pairs of events for child J happened; one pair in room 4, one pair in room 2. The room 4 incidents happened at 3am and 4.57am, and the room 2 incidents happened either side of 7am. Letby accepts this was the case.

The court is shown a night shift staffing rota at the end of the night, in which Child J was in room 2. Letby is asked if she has any memory of the earlier pair of incidents. She says she does not have a recollection. She says from her memory, Child J had a seizure and was moved to room 2. She says she could be mistaken in her memory.

The court is shown an apnoea/brady/fit chart for Child J on November 27, recording events for Child J at 4.40am and 5.03am, recorded by nurse Nicola Dennison, in nursery 4. The desaturations are recorded by Dr Kaliyilil Verghese. Letby recalled when she was called in to room 4, Child J was 'fitting', not desaturating. Letby accepts that by 6.28am, Child J had been moved to room 2, as a text message written by her to a colleague had said that was the case.

Letby says she cannot recall where she was when she sent the 6.28am message, whether she was in room 2 or not. The message added: 'only 5 staff!'
Mr Johnson: "So it was all hands to the pump then?" as twins had been admitted to room 1 as an emergency.
LL: "Yes." Mr Johnson says all staff would have been concentrated in room 1. LL "Not all, but most, yes."
NJ: "You were not involved in that, were you?"
LL: "Not from memory, no." Mr Johnson says the message sent at 6.31am would have meant Letby would not have been in room 1. Letby agrees. Letby says Mary Griffiths would not have been in room 1 as she was not an intensive treatment unit-trained nurse. She denies she would have been the last nurse for room 2. Letby accepts, from looking at the neonatal schedule, she would have been in room 2 when the emergency twins were admitted to room 1.
NJ: "There would have been a lot of distractions...wouldn't there?"
LL: "I don't know what you're implying."
NJ: "The medical staff would have their attention focused on the twins, and any help that could be spared would have gone on the twins.
NJ: "Do you accept that a lot of help was needed?"
LL: "It would be normal practice to get in the consultant when we only had the registrar, yes." Dr John Gibbs arrives at 6.34am, earlier than normal for his shift, to assist.

The last message Letby sent to her colleague was 6.49am. The colleague sent three messages which were not replied to in the following minutes.
NJ: "That's because you were in nursery room 2, sabotaging [Child I], weren't you?"
LL: "No, I wasn't."

Letby accepts that, on the neonatal schedule, she is not recorded doing anything in the half hour prior to Child J's collapse at 6.56am. Mr Johnson refers to Dr John Gibbs's notes of 'sudden desats (to unrecordable levels) at 6.56 and at 7.24 and bradycardia. Both associated with clenching of hands, stiff limbs, and on second occasion, eyes deviated to left.'
NJ: "This was your doing?"
LL: "No, it wasn't." Letby accepts it was an emergency situation and Dr Gibbs had to be called away from room 1 to Child J in room 2.

NJ: "You took your opportunity, when all the resources at the NNU were concentrated on the twins who had been admitted as an emergency."
LL: "No." Letby accepts evidence had been heard saying there was no known cause for Child J's deterioration. Letby had care of Child J the following night, which the court is shown, from Letby's notes for that night, 'nothing happened'.


Witness Evidence

Family - Mother

The mother of Child J is called to give evidence.

She says she had a difficult Pregnancy, and following a difficult operation in London, one of her planned twins was lost.

She said she gave birth to Child J, a baby girl, at 32 weeks and two days gestation on October 31, 2015.

Child J "appeared to be extremely well" and was shown to her after birth, and there appeared to be "no concern" before the baby girl was taken to the neonatal unit.

The mother said she visited Child J later at the unit, she was in an incubator. The baby girl was seen in the 10-minute time there to produce a bit of brown bile.

Child J was then taken to Alder Hey by ambulance. The mother said she was told there were concerns about Child J's bowel at the time.

The mother said it was discussed afterwards that Child J had 'NEC' [necrotising enterocolitis: a serious gastro-intestinal disorder where a portion of the bowel becomes inflamed] and had emergency surgery at Alder Hey.

The bowel was 'cut', 1cm was removed - "a little amount", and the decision was made to give Child J two stomas.

Child J returned to the Countess of Chester Hospital on November 10, and the mother recalls being there frequently., establishing a routine. Child J was "absolutely" progressing well, going from being treated in room 1 (most intensive treatment), to room 2, to room 3, to room 4, over the course of four weeks in November.

Child J's mother recalls there were issues with the baby girl's weight gain, which 'concerned her' and she relayed those concerns "frequently".

She said those concerns were treated "not very seriously - they weren't overly concerned".

There were "quite a lot of challenges" with the stoma management.

Child J's mother says, between November 10-27, there were no major concerns with the stoma management, but the bags were not lasting as long as expected, and breastfeeding was impractical, but attempts at breastfeeding were made as Child J was doing well.

She tells the court the approach of staff at the Countess was different to Alder Hey. While Alder Hey was 'inclusive', the communication did not feel the same at the Countess.

Events leading up to the morning of November 27 are discussed, when Child J collapsed.

Child J's mother said the family were "really excited" to get Child J home, as she was off the heart monitor, and the mother was at the hospital ready to provide daytime cares, having also been involved in the night-time process.

The court hears it was 'a dry run' for life at home.

Overnight on November 25-26, Child J's mother was at the hospital, attending for cares, including stoma bag management.

On November 26, Child J's mother went and stayed home, intending to return as usual at 8am on November 27. She said 8am would be after the handover, and staff preferred parents not to be on the ward at the time of the handover.

The mother recalled receiving a telephone call on the morning of November 27 telling her Child J had collapsed, and to attend hospital as soon as possible. She said that would have been about 7.10am.

The mother attended the hospital as quickly as she could with her husband. Child J was in room 2 in a 'hot cot', connected back up to a monitor and looked "very floppy...pale, yellowy in colour and not very responsive".

Child J's mother said she was "totally and utterly shocked because prior to this, she was extremely well, she was coming home...we were preparing for her to come home.

"Other than the weight gain, everything was fine."

Child J's father spoke to Dr John Gibbs and the mother recalled joining in the conversation, being "very stressed about what I was seeing and experiencing".

After the collapse, Child J's mother said nurses led the care, and the parents stayed overnight.

It was established there was not an infection - it was "unknown at that stage", the mother tells the court, and Child J recovered "quite quickly".

By the afternoon of November 28, Child J was "back up to full feeds", the mother tells the court.
In the following weeks after that, Child J had another collapse around December 16, 2015.

"That was when we really started to see issues with the stomas and the bags", the mother tells the court, with the bags not lasting anywhere near as long as before, and would stop working as they should.

After the second collapse, there were "concerns" when Child J was pressed in the abdomen, she would wince and feel pain, so Child J was transferred to Alder Hey to have the operation reversed and the stomas were closed, the bowel reattached.

On January 5, 2016, Child J returned home.

Cross Examination
Mr Myers, for Letby's defence, asks the mother about Child J's birth, and that 'things seemed to be all right'. The mother agrees.

The mother said she saw the brown bile from Child J's mouth and informed staff at the Countess. She agrees staff were "concerned".

Mr Myers says if there was a point when they were asked if Child J should be Christened. The mother agrees.

The court hears Child J had an 11-day stay at Alder Hey, during which she had a bowel operation. The details of the procedure and how to use the stoma bags are relayed in court, and the mother says she and her husband had it explained to them.

The mother said she would not say the stoma bags procedure was explained as well to them by Countess staff.

Mr Myers asks if the mother was told 'this could be a bit of a rollercoaster - that babies could go up and down' for Child J. The mother replies she is not sure when that was said to her, and could have been after Child J collapsed.

The mother says Alder Hey checked with the Countess of Chester Hospital to do the recycling of the stomas, and the Countess hospital had said yes, but did not seem to be as prepared.

The mother, having looked at a statement she gave to police, says that on reflection, the Countess staff were not as prepared for such procedures, and the 'time-consuming process' meant she offered to help with the stoma and the bags.

She adds that without the expertise of her husband, she would not have been able to position the stoma bags correctly, and without the prior experience, it would be considered a 'challenging' procedure.

The mother tells the court she felt if she raised concerns on the stoma care, they were not taken as seriously by Countess staff as the staff at Alder Hey.

The mother says there were concerns raised 'frequently' about the lack of weight gain for Child J, and they were raised with Countess staff.

Those concerns were "not met with any changes - not taken very seriously", the mother tells the court.

After the first collapse, Child J's mother says they were much more alert on medication as 'things were missed'.

The mother says there was "a general concern" for Child J for an increased risk of infection.

Mr Myers asks if there was a case when Child J was not tidied up.

The mother replies 'yes', as there was one case where she arrived to find Child J's bottom had waste visible, and was wrapped around with a towel. She raised the issue with a consultant, after asking staff "what would you do in my situation?".

The mother said she felt "pushback" on raising those concerns.

Dr John Gibbs

See also: Dr John Gibbs' oral testimony at the Thirlwall Inquiry

Giving evidence on Monday, February 13, consultant paediatrician Dr John Gibbs said two "profound" desaturations around 5am on November 27, 2015 were "alarmingly low".

He told Manchester Crown Court that the youngster, Child J, was stable for weeks after she previously underwent bowel surgery a day after her birth.

Child J recovered quickly after she received breathing support, but more desaturations followed at 6.56 am, together with a marked fall in heart rate.

Dr Gibbs also noted all of Child J’s limbs were "stiffly extended with her hands clenched".

He said the stiffness took 10 minutes to settle which was a "reasonably long seizure".

More breathing support, via a facemask, led to an improvement – but a further similar episode took place at 7.24am, jurors were told.

Dr Gibbs, now retired, said: "Again, (Child J’s) oxygen and heart rate dropped and she needed support for her breathing just as in the first episode.

"This episode was much shorter. She did display the stiffness of all her limbs and clenches of her hands, and on the second episode her eyes deviated to the left. It stopped after three or four minutes."

He said that Child J had not suffered a seizure either before or since.

Simon Driver, prosecuting, said: "You cannot be certain as to what was the cause?"

Dr Gibbs replied: "All the investigations did not reveal any causes for her seizures."

Cross Examination
Ben Myers KC, defending, said: "It’s not possible to say for sure whether the seizures caused breathing difficulties or breathing difficulties caused the seizures?"

Dr Gibbs said: "That’s correct."

Mr Myers went on: "To be clear, you favour breathing difficulties first because your assessment was the drop in oxygen (levels) came before seizure?

Dr Gibbs said: "Yes. Exactly why and how the oxygen dropped, I don’t know."

Dr Stephen Breary

See also:
INQ0103104 – Thirlwall Inquuiry Witness Statement of Dr Stephen Brearey - various pages, dated 12/07/2024
Dr Stephen Brearey's oral testimony at the Thirlwall Inquiry

Fellow consultant Dr Stephen Brearey told the court: "She normalised very quickly over the course of the day and all the investigations we had undertaken couldn’t identify why she had the desaturations or explain why she had a seizure.

"I do know hypoxia causes seizures so that would be possibly the most likely cause.

"There remains the question why was hypoxic when two or three weeks beforehand she had been breathing normally in air and there was no suggestion of infection.

"In fact, we stopped antibiotics 36 hours after starting them because there was no evidence of infection in the blood tests and she remained well for weeks afterwards."

Nurse Mary Griffith

See also: INQ0101331 – Witness Statement of Mary Griffith, dated 06/06/2024

Earlier, nurse Mary Griffith – who worked more than 40 years at the Countess of Chester before retiring in 2016 – agreed with Mr Myers that Letby was "knowledgeable", "caring" and "thorough" in her job.

She also agreed there seemed to a "very high admission rate" to the neo-natal unit around 2015/2016.

Child J was discharged home in January 2016 and was described as progressing "very well" at her final outpatient clinic more than a year later.

Medical Expert Evidence

Dr Dewi Evans

Giving evidence on Tuesday, expert medical witness Dr Dewi Evans told prosecutor Nick Johnson KC: "The first pair of collapses were unexpected because she was nice and stable before that.

"The second pair of events were more serious and required more in the way of resuscitation, but again were unexpected and I noted the markers for inflammation were normal which tended to rule out infection.

"The second pair coincided with what the doctors describe as a seizure or a fit. This is indicative of something going wrong with the brain.

"My opinion was that (Child J’s) brain was deprived of oxygen for a sufficient level of time to cause hypoxia ie loss of oxygen to the brain causing fits.

"As far as I know this was the only occasion when she had seizures and the cause of this was the hypoxia, the lack of oxygen to the brain."

Mr Johnson asked the retired consultant paediatrician: "So far as the hypoxic incidents that had caused these seizures were concerned, could you identify any natural process that might have caused that?"

Dr Evans replied: "No, I could not. There was no reason why she should suddenly become hypoxic."

Mr Johnson went on: "If infection had been the cause of her rapid decline would she have recovered as quickly as she did?"

Dr Evans said: "I don’t think she would. Babies who develop an infection usually recover over a period of days."

Dr Evans agreed with Ben Myers KC, defending, that he could not rule out infection "for sure".

Dr Sandie Bohin

However fellow expert witness, consultant paediatrician Dr Sandie Bohin, said she had excluded infection.

She told the court: " was a well baby. She was ready to go home. Babies who are ready to go home do not have major desaturations which lead to prolonged resuscitation.

"These were completely unexpected and she required the Neopuff (face mask) ventilation for a long time before she came round and was well again.

"I thought that seemed extremely unusual – the speed of the collapse, the longevity of the resuscitations and the fact that she seemed to recover quite quickly.

"That is not the way that infection normally plays out."

Dr Bohin noted that Child J was clinically well and back to her normal self before she even received antibiotics.

She said: "I exclude infection. I don’t think that was the cause of her collapse."

Dr Bohin told Mr Myers she had not been able to identify an "obvious cause" for her collapses.

Child J had previously undergone bowel surgery a day after her birth but medics have said she was stable in the weeks that followed.

On the morning of November 27 she was being cared for in nursery room 4 in readiness for returning home to her parents.

Child J was later moved to room 2 for closer monitoring ahead of the second pair of collapses.

She eventually was discharged in January 2016 and was described as progressing "very well" at her final outpatient clinic more than a year later.

Thirlwall Evidence Documents

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INQ0001065 - Pages 320 and 354 of Medical Records of [Child J], dated between 27/11/2015 and 17/12/2015
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17 December 2015
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9 September 2025